理想国
2003-5
中国政法大学出版社
柏拉图
381
edited by G.R.F. Ferrari ; translated by Tom Griffith
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This new tranlation of one of the great works of Westem political thought is based on the belief that when Plato chose the dialogue form for his writing,he intended these dialogues to sound like converstions-although conversations of a philosophical sort.In addition to avivid,dignified and accurate rendition of Plato's text,the student and general reader will find many aids to comprehension in this volune,an introducction that assesses the cultural background to the Republic,its Place within political philosophy,and its general grgunment succinct notes in the body of the text an analytical sunnary of the works full glossary of proper names a chronolgy of the text an analytical sunnary of the work's content;a full glossary of proper names a chronolgy of important events;and a guede to further reading.The result is an accomplished and accessible edition of this seninal work,suitalbe for philosphers and classicists as well as historians of political thought at all levels. G.R.F.FERRARI is Associate Professor of Classics at theUniversity of California,Berkeley,and the author of Listening to eh Cicadas:A Study of Plato's Phaedms. TOM GRIFFITH has also translated Plato's Symposium,Euthyphro,Apology,Crito,Phacdo,and Phacdmis.
Translator's prefaceEditor's prefaceIntroduction The Thirty Faction A Spatan utopia The philosopher and the king A pllitical mork? City and soul Mathematics and metaphysicsA guide to further readingPrincipal datesAbbreviations and conventinsEditor's synopsis of The RepublicThe Republic Book1 Book2 Book3 Book4 Book5 Book6 Book7 Book8 Book9 Book10GlossaryIndex
'All right，' he said. 'You must be aware that some cities are tyrannies，some are democracies， and others aristocracies?' 'Of course.' 'And what is in control in each city is the ruling power?' 'Every ruling power makes laws for its own good. A democracy makes democratic laws， a tyranny tyrannical laws， and so on. In making these laws， they make it clear that what is good for them， the rulers， is what is just for their subjects. If anyone disobeys， they punish him for breaking the law and acting unjustly. That's what I mean， "my friend，" when I say that in all cities the same thing is just， namely what is good for the ruling authority. This， I take it， is where the power lies， and the result is， for anyone who looks at it in the right way， that the same thing is just everywhere - what is good for the stronger.' 'Now I understand what you mean，' I said， 'though whether or not it is true remains to be seen. So even your answer， Thrasymachus，is that what is good for a person is just， though that was an answer you told me firmly not to give. But you add the qualification "for the stronger."' 'A trivial addition， you may say.' 'That's not yet clear. It may well be an important one. What is clear is that we must examine whether what you say is true. Like you，l agree that justice is something that is good for a person， but while you qualify it as what is good for the stronger， I'm not so sure. We should examine the question.' 'Go on， then. Examine it.' 'I shall，' I said. 'Tell me， don't you also say that it is right for subjects to obey their rulers?' 'And are they infallible， the rulers in all these cities? Or are they capable of making mistakes?' 'They are certainly， I imagine， capable of making mistakes.' 'So when they set about enacting laws， do they enact some correctly， but a certain number incorrectly?' 'In my opinion， yes.' 'And "correctly" is enacting laws which are in their own interest， and "incorrectly" is enacting laws which are against their own interest? Is that what you mean?' 'But whatever they enact， their subjects must carry it out， and this is justice?' 'Of course.' 'In that case， according to your definition，it is not only just to do what is good for the stronger， but also its opposite， what is not good for him.' 'What do you mean?' he said. 'I mean what you mean， I tlunk. Let's look at it more closely. Haven't we agreed that the rulers，in giving orders to their subjects to do anything， sometimes make mistakes about what is in their own best interest， but that it is just for the subjects to carry out whatever orders their rulers give them? Isn't that what we have agreed?' 'Yes，' he said. 'I accept that.' 'Then you must also accept，' I said，'that we have agreed it is just to do things which are not good for the rulers and the stronger， when the rulers inadvertently issue orders which are harmful to themselves， and you say it is just for their subjects to carry out the orders of their rulers. In that situation， most wise Thrasymachus， isn't the inevitable result that it is just to do the exact opposite of what you say? After all， the weaker have been ordered to do what is not good for the stronger.' 'Indeed they have， Socrates，' said Polemarchus. 'No question about it.' 'No question at all，' Cleitophon interrupted， 'if you are acting as a witness for Socrates.' 'Who needs a witness?' said Polemarchus. 'Thrasymachus himself agrees that rulers sometimes issue orders which are bad for themselves， but that it is right for their subjects to carry out these orders.' 'Yes， Polemarchus， because carrying out orders issued by rulers was what Thrasymachus defined as just.' ……
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《理想国》是中文的翻译，英文的翻译是《republic》，也有中文翻译为《王制》。不一样的说法，不一样的感受。他是超越现实的，又是源于现实的。可以说是理想，也可以说是对真理的追求。版本不错，老师推荐的，翻译的很好
《理想国》可谓是政治哲学、伦理学等学科的共同经典，比国内某些出版社好的就是有导言部分，这是很关键的。英文版也很容易看懂，词汇量相对来说较小，对照商务印书馆的译本看比较好。
老师推荐买的。影印本十分划算，这个价格买的没什么说的。纸张光滑细腻，印刷清晰。只是买了四本两本封面有折印，一本书侧有一点黑色的油污什么的，不过不影响阅读，只是对于爱书的人来说有点小遗憾。不过总体十分推荐购买
快递挺快的，版面不错。不过，纸张没想象中好。
这本书一直很期待，下次买本原文的收藏
送给女儿的，先看了一下，不错。
印刷质量好，值得拥有。
这是第一次在当当写评论。
此书是2003年第1版第1次印刷，大多数书店基本已看不到了。
虽然是多年以前印的书，但当当送的货仍然很新，很干净，
收到书后很高兴，非常感谢！
古希腊哲学课程值得推荐使用的一个英译本。
书还没看，但是书的质感让人很有捧起来一读的欲望。
很好，英文原版影印的书，超值！
排版、印刷都很好。
还想买这一系列的其它书
和商务印书馆的中文译本对照着读，很有收获，就是速度慢点，很搞脑筋
哲学类的书都是比较难懂的，虽然说柏拉图的著相对容易些，但我不管单看中文翻译版，还是jowett的版本，还是这个版本，都会有很多地方读不懂。不过把几个版本的书结合在一起看，就可以理解了。
总体来说，这个版本通俗易懂，再结合一本中文版，效果还是不错的。适合我这样的业余爱好者。
当然最好的英文版本是J.M. Cooper的“Plato: ***plete works", hackett出版社，是柏拉图全集，并且只有原版书。也不清楚现在还有没有这个版本的单独的《理想国》卖。
剑桥政治思想史经典文本，价格又好，不买对不起出版社呀。呵呵。不过，这个英译本并不是最经典的。
书有好几页都折了，封面非常脏，全都是泥，要用湿纸巾擦过才好了一点。
装帧不好，遗憾，排版也是